anxiety attack….
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Thanks Mike — I haven’t tried lying down outside (during one of these attacks) but I will next time (my neighbors already think I am nuts). I’ll check my pulse as well. However, I have a question. What about the anxiety attacks one suffers in the night (while lying down in bed)? I’ve had those too — they are awful! Rebecca 
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Rebecca, > If sitting helps, lying down should help even more… > Have you ever taken you blood pressure with pulse during these "attacks?" > Take it lying down, and standing up. If there is a drop in blood pressure > from sitting to standing or too high a heart rate increase, you have found > the cause of your problem. The "panic" being your brain attempting to > restore cerebral blood pressure. > You may actually be suffering from near syncope brought about by all the > nastiness autoimmune disease does to the blod and cardiovascular system. > Many people with autoimmune disease suffer from orthostatic problems. > Try it! Of course there are a lot of other causes for anxiety problems. For > example, prednisone makes me climb the walls! The anxiety meds usually just > mask the real cause of the problem, though. > Thanks, > Mike > — > To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address: > Hi Lisa: > Here is a "quick", unmedical tip that works for me. > Go outside and sit down. > Yes, that is right. Whenever I have an attack I find that if I can just > get > outside and sit (if possible) I feel better. I have also found that if it > is > nice enough out, taking a brisk walk helps too. However, many times when > an > attack strikes, my feet feel like heavy lead weights and so walking > becomes > almost impossible. I think that is why the sitting outside seems to help. > Take some deep breaths and talk to yourself to calm down. > Good luck and do discuss these attacks with your doc. I have never found > any > meds to really help (although I’ve only tried a few). The attacks have > gotten better/less as I have gotten older. By the time I am dead, I should > be fine <G> > Rebecca > > It has been 5 weeks on Methotrexate and the other day I had this odd > > feeling. > > disassociation, skin crawling, unreal, sweaty, clammy, etc. > > So I call the Dr and he said by no means is it the Meth. > > perhaps a panic or anxiety attack and that I should try relaxation > > techniques. > > Yes I have way more then I need in the stress dept. > > Does anyone have a trick for relaxation or stress reduction…and no I > can > > not just run away and start over. > > lisa
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You haven’t seen my dark side have you….hahahahahaha….<cackling fiendishly> Love, Holly xo
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Do you wake up in the middle of the night? Are you taking prednisone? Try drinking a glass of water bvefore going to bed–you may be getting dehydrated in your sleep (when you lie down, all this blood surges into your heart, and the heart send out diuretic hormones to lower the blood volume–which is why you have that monster pee in the morning). Give it a try. It may help! Inflammation and the drugs used to treat it can really mess up the nervous system. Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks Mike — I haven’t tried lying down outside (during one of these > attacks) but I will next time (my neighbors already think I am nuts). I’ll > check my pulse as well. > However, I have a question. What about the anxiety attacks one suffers in > the night (while lying down in bed)? I’ve had those too — they are awful! > Rebecca > Rebecca, > If sitting helps, lying down should help even more… > Have you ever taken you blood pressure with pulse during these "attacks?" > Take it lying down, and standing up. If there is a drop in blood pressure > from sitting to standing or too high a heart rate increase, you have found > the cause of your problem. The "panic" being your brain attempting to > restore cerebral blood pressure. > You may actually be suffering from near syncope brought about by all the > nastiness autoimmune disease does to the blod and cardiovascular system. > Many people with autoimmune disease suffer from orthostatic problems. > Try it! Of course there are a lot of other causes for anxiety problems. > For > example, prednisone makes me climb the walls! The anxiety meds usually > just > mask the real cause of the problem, though. > Thanks, > Mike > — > To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address: > > Hi Lisa: > > Here is a "quick", unmedical tip that works for me. > > Go outside and sit down. > > Yes, that is right. Whenever I have an attack I find that if I can just > get > > outside and sit (if possible) I feel better. I have also found that if > it > is > > nice enough out, taking a brisk walk helps too. However, many times when > an > > attack strikes, my feet feel like heavy lead weights and so walking > becomes > > almost impossible. I think that is why the sitting outside seems to > help. > > Take some deep breaths and talk to yourself to calm down. > > Good luck and do discuss these attacks with your doc. I have never found > any > > meds to really help (although I’ve only tried a few). The attacks have > > gotten better/less as I have gotten older. By the time I am dead, I > should > > be fine <G> > > Rebecca > > > It has been 5 weeks on Methotrexate and the other day I had this odd > > > feeling. > > > disassociation, skin crawling, unreal, sweaty, clammy, etc. > > > So I call the Dr and he said by no means is it the Meth. > > > perhaps a panic or anxiety attack and that I should try relaxation > > > techniques. > > > Yes I have way more then I need in the stress dept. > > > Does anyone have a trick for relaxation or stress reduction…and no I > can > > > not just run away and start over. > > > lisa
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Thank God I was on Nortriptyline! That is a prescribed anti-anxiety/anti-depressant that I have been on for about 7 years. Definitely helps lower the edge. My mom says I was still bitchyand jumpy when I was on steroids Holly
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ah come on Holly .. You bitchy and jumpy .. that I have a hard time believing !! Peace and Love Maryjo
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Rebecca, If sitting helps, lying down should help even more… Have you ever taken you blood pressure with pulse during these "attacks?" Take it lying down, and standing up. If there is a drop in blood pressure from sitting to standing or too high a heart rate increase, you have found the cause of your problem. The "panic" being your brain attempting to restore cerebral blood pressure. You may actually be suffering from near syncope brought about by all the nastiness autoimmune disease does to the blod and cardiovascular system. Many people with autoimmune disease suffer from orthostatic problems. Try it! Of course there are a lot of other causes for anxiety problems. For example, prednisone makes me climb the walls! The anxiety meds usually just mask the real cause of the problem, though. Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Lisa: > Here is a "quick", unmedical tip that works for me. > Go outside and sit down. > Yes, that is right. Whenever I have an attack I find that if I can just get > outside and sit (if possible) I feel better. I have also found that if it is > nice enough out, taking a brisk walk helps too. However, many times when an > attack strikes, my feet feel like heavy lead weights and so walking becomes > almost impossible. I think that is why the sitting outside seems to help. > Take some deep breaths and talk to yourself to calm down. > Good luck and do discuss these attacks with your doc. I have never found any > meds to really help (although I’ve only tried a few). The attacks have > gotten better/less as I have gotten older. By the time I am dead, I should > be fine <G> > Rebecca > It has been 5 weeks on Methotrexate and the other day I had this odd > feeling. > disassociation, skin crawling, unreal, sweaty, clammy, etc. > So I call the Dr and he said by no means is it the Meth. > perhaps a panic or anxiety attack and that I should try relaxation > techniques. > Yes I have way more then I need in the stress dept. > Does anyone have a trick for relaxation or stress reduction…and no I can > not just run away and start over. > lisa
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Hi Lisa: Here is a "quick", unmedical tip that works for me. Go outside and sit down. Yes, that is right. Whenever I have an attack I find that if I can just get outside and sit (if possible) I feel better. I have also found that if it is nice enough out, taking a brisk walk helps too. However, many times when an attack strikes, my feet feel like heavy lead weights and so walking becomes almost impossible. I think that is why the sitting outside seems to help. Take some deep breaths and talk to yourself to calm down. Good luck and do discuss these attacks with your doc. I have never found any meds to really help (although I’ve only tried a few). The attacks have gotten better/less as I have gotten older. By the time I am dead, I should be fine <G> Rebecca
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It has been 5 weeks on Methotrexate and the other day I had this odd > feeling. > disassociation, skin crawling, unreal, sweaty, clammy, etc. > So I call the Dr and he said by no means is it the Meth. > perhaps a panic or anxiety attack and that I should try relaxation > techniques. > Yes I have way more then I need in the stress dept. > Does anyone have a trick for relaxation or stress reduction…and no I can > not just run away and start over. > lisa
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Mike, Thanks for this unique point of view. I will have to keep this in mind if this should ever happen to me. It’s nice to know there is a simpler alternative than meds sometimes. mgbio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So many doctors dismiss true physical causes of "Panic Attack." Your brain > goes into a panic mode, when it senses a threat. Most of the time, the > threat is legitimate. > In many cases, is its an allergic reaction. For you, that would seem less > likely because you are on the chemotherapy. Usually, there is a disruption > in the blood flow to the brain, causing it to freak out. Could be that you > are dehydrated or especially anemic? Could be that your hormones are out of > whack becasue of this condition. I would guess that your blood volume is > too low, overall. Does laying down help? > If your heart is racing and feeling faint with this, then it is time to see > a cardiologist or neurologist experienced in syncope. Your descripion is > very similar to a "pre-faint" state from not getting enough blood to the > heart and brain. Considering the meds you are on, I would guess that that > may be the problem and you should get it looked into. I would at least talk > to your family doctor about this. Don’t bother the gastro. In general, > they are lousy internists. > I have talked to many people who are on chemo-type drugs, and "panic > attacks" are common. I would not let the doc continue to blame this on you. > Anti-anxiety drugs only mask the condition, and do not treat its cause, > which is almost always physical in nature. > But docs are too used to blaming their patients. > Thanks, > Mike > — > To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address: > It has been 5 weeks on Methotrexate and the other day I had this odd > feeling. > disassociation, skin crawling, unreal, sweaty, clammy, etc. > So I call the Dr and he said by no means is it the Meth. > perhaps a panic or anxiety attack and that I should try relaxation > techniques. > Yes I have way more then I need in the stress dept. > Does anyone have a trick for relaxation or stress reduction…and no I can > not just run away and start over. > lisa
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Panic attachs are chemically induced – brain chemistry that is. If they are frequent I would suggest consulting your doctor and discuss Paxil.It has a good track record of adjusting brain chemistry and eliminating panic attacks as well as depression. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I agree with Mike; see your family doctor and if he has the same attitude, > see a neurologist or a cardiologist. If they don’t find anything physically > wrong then go to the relaxation techniques. Yoga stretches (beginning yoga) > are great for that. That’s what I do. Light exercise is good for stress > managment also and drink lots of water. > Mary > So many doctors dismiss true physical causes of "Panic Attack." Your > brain > goes into a panic mode, when it senses a threat. Most of the time, the > threat is legitimate. > In many cases, is its an allergic reaction. For you, that would seem less > likely because you are on the chemotherapy. Usually, there is a > disruption > in the blood flow to the brain, causing it to freak out. Could be that > you > are dehydrated or especially anemic? Could be that your hormones are out > of > whack becasue of this condition. I would guess that your blood volume is > too low, overall. Does laying down help? > If your heart is racing and feeling faint with this, then it is time to > see > a cardiologist or neurologist experienced in syncope. Your descripion is > very similar to a "pre-faint" state from not getting enough blood to the > heart and brain. Considering the meds you are on, I would guess that that > may be the problem and you should get it looked into. I would at least > talk > to your family doctor about this. Don’t bother the gastro. In general, > they are lousy internists. > I have talked to many people who are on chemo-type drugs, and "panic > attacks" are common. I would not let the doc continue to blame this on > you. > Anti-anxiety drugs only mask the condition, and do not treat its cause, > which is almost always physical in nature. > But docs are too used to blaming their patients. > Thanks, > Mike > — > To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address: > > It has been 5 weeks on Methotrexate and the other day I had this odd > > feeling. > > disassociation, skin crawling, unreal, sweaty, clammy, etc. > > So I call the Dr and he said by no means is it the Meth. > > perhaps a panic or anxiety attack and that I should try relaxation > > techniques. > > Yes I have way more then I need in the stress dept. > > Does anyone have a trick for relaxation or stress reduction…and no I > can > > not just run away and start over. > > lisa
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I agree with Mike; see your family doctor and if he has the same attitude, see a neurologist or a cardiologist. If they don’t find anything physically wrong then go to the relaxation techniques. Yoga stretches (beginning yoga) are great for that. That’s what I do. Light exercise is good for stress managment also and drink lots of water. Mary
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So many doctors dismiss true physical causes of "Panic Attack." Your brain > goes into a panic mode, when it senses a threat. Most of the time, the > threat is legitimate. > In many cases, is its an allergic reaction. For you, that would seem less > likely because you are on the chemotherapy. Usually, there is a disruption > in the blood flow to the brain, causing it to freak out. Could be that you > are dehydrated or especially anemic? Could be that your hormones are out of > whack becasue of this condition. I would guess that your blood volume is > too low, overall. Does laying down help? > If your heart is racing and feeling faint with this, then it is time to see > a cardiologist or neurologist experienced in syncope. Your descripion is > very similar to a "pre-faint" state from not getting enough blood to the > heart and brain. Considering the meds you are on, I would guess that that > may be the problem and you should get it looked into. I would at least talk > to your family doctor about this. Don’t bother the gastro. In general, > they are lousy internists. > I have talked to many people who are on chemo-type drugs, and "panic > attacks" are common. I would not let the doc continue to blame this on you. > Anti-anxiety drugs only mask the condition, and do not treat its cause, > which is almost always physical in nature. > But docs are too used to blaming their patients. > Thanks, > Mike > — > To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address: > It has been 5 weeks on Methotrexate and the other day I had this odd > feeling. > disassociation, skin crawling, unreal, sweaty, clammy, etc. > So I call the Dr and he said by no means is it the Meth. > perhaps a panic or anxiety attack and that I should try relaxation > techniques. > Yes I have way more then I need in the stress dept. > Does anyone have a trick for relaxation or stress reduction…and no I can > not just run away and start over. > lisa
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So many doctors dismiss true physical causes of "Panic Attack." Your brain goes into a panic mode, when it senses a threat. Most of the time, the threat is legitimate. In many cases, is its an allergic reaction. For you, that would seem less likely because you are on the chemotherapy. Usually, there is a disruption in the blood flow to the brain, causing it to freak out. Could be that you are dehydrated or especially anemic? Could be that your hormones are out of whack becasue of this condition. I would guess that your blood volume is too low, overall. Does laying down help? If your heart is racing and feeling faint with this, then it is time to see a cardiologist or neurologist experienced in syncope. Your descripion is very similar to a "pre-faint" state from not getting enough blood to the heart and brain. Considering the meds you are on, I would guess that that may be the problem and you should get it looked into. I would at least talk to your family doctor about this. Don’t bother the gastro. In general, they are lousy internists. I have talked to many people who are on chemo-type drugs, and "panic attacks" are common. I would not let the doc continue to blame this on you. Anti-anxiety drugs only mask the condition, and do not treat its cause, which is almost always physical in nature. But docs are too used to blaming their patients. Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It has been 5 weeks on Methotrexate and the other day I had this odd > feeling. > disassociation, skin crawling, unreal, sweaty, clammy, etc. > So I call the Dr and he said by no means is it the Meth. > perhaps a panic or anxiety attack and that I should try relaxation > techniques. > Yes I have way more then I need in the stress dept. > Does anyone have a trick for relaxation or stress reduction…and no I can > not just run away and start over. > lisa
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It has been 5 weeks on Methotrexate and the other day I had this odd feeling. disassociation, skin crawling, unreal, sweaty, clammy, etc. So I call the Dr and he said by no means is it the Meth. perhaps a panic or anxiety attack and that I should try relaxation techniques. Yes I have way more then I need in the stress dept. Does anyone have a trick for relaxation or stress reduction…and no I can not just run away and start over. lisa
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ask doc for a benzo, just keep you dosage low, you won’t run into trouble then. i use either xannax or lorazepam, depending on if i need help with my tinnitus or a "sleeping pill". deep breathing exercises for "up-tight" moments may help in the stress department. jeff, cd class of o1
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It has been 5 weeks on Methotrexate and the other day I had this odd > feeling. > disassociation, skin crawling, unreal, sweaty, clammy, etc. > So I call the Dr and he said by no means is it the Meth. > perhaps a panic or anxiety attack and that I should try relaxation > techniques. > Yes I have way more then I need in the stress dept. > Does anyone have a trick for relaxation or stress reduction…and no I can > not just run away and start over. > lisa
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Sit or lie in a relaxed position. Close your eyes. Start breathing in slowly through the nose, slowly exhale through your mouth. With each breath, visualize yourself descending deeper down a flight of stairs…..Then, start relaxing at your toes. Move up your body in slow steps, tensing and relaxing each part. Finally, visualize some favorite calm place. A lake, a mountain, a river, an ocean, whatever is your favorite peaceful place. Stay there for a while. HTH Ceresse
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It has been 5 weeks on Methotrexate and the other day I had this odd > feeling. > disassociation, skin crawling, unreal, sweaty, clammy, etc. > So I call the Dr and he said by no means is it the Meth. > perhaps a panic or anxiety attack and that I should try relaxation > techniques. > Yes I have way more then I need in the stress dept. > Does anyone have a trick for relaxation or stress reduction…and no I can > not just run away and start over. > lisa
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